tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2248881149749925934.post3278075388645382463..comments2024-01-02T10:09:58.744-08:00Comments on Preaching to the choir: One last timeShttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12429147325673256508noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2248881149749925934.post-33772113560502228022009-05-22T10:44:47.531-07:002009-05-22T10:44:47.531-07:00i wish that cheney would go back to the wild where...i wish that cheney would go back to the wild where he can shoot his friends on hunting trips, where he belongs.<br /><br />he even popped up here recently. but luckily, no unwitting canadians were shot during the trip.luhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07623389405478450863noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2248881149749925934.post-38864197725159794602009-05-22T08:33:23.669-07:002009-05-22T08:33:23.669-07:00Well to that end he's no longer in a leadership po...Well to that end he's no longer in a leadership position.<br /><br />I believe you are biased against anything he says because you categorically despise him.<br /><br />For myself, I think he truly believes that they saved American lives. Which is why he wants the President to release the full memos so that we can see what was learned from the water boarding.<br /><br />And I do not think he was talking about all aspects of the administration. I think he believes they were right to go to war with Iraq, about the water boarding, about Gitmo, about the war on terror.<br /><br />If asked specifically about dismantling the Iraq army, for example, I'm pretty sure he'd say that was a mistake, as most do now. Among other things. If he does not ... well then he's just being prideful. Things were definitely mishandled in many areas.<br /><br />If you are right and it just takes 8-10 years to plan an attack I hope that we are prepared to do everything necessary to prevent it. I am not willing to go through that again.<br /><br />But I pretty much think Cheney could show you a map and point to the United States and you'd say he was wrong.BellsforStacyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02032366148476863438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2248881149749925934.post-60396849958594496462009-05-22T08:10:39.041-07:002009-05-22T08:10:39.041-07:00I know you're smarter than to buy into this "only ...I know you're smarter than to buy into this "only 2 conclusions can be drawn" nonsense. How about some combination of we had some successful measures and we had some luck and it just takes a lot of hard work, time, and coordination to bring about a plot like 9/11 so it is unlikely that another such attack was going to occur any time soon?<br /><br />What I absolutely and categorically reject is the illogical notion that because we haven't been attacked since 2001, everything we have done is exactly right and we should keep doing everything exactly the same way. That is far too simplistic, black/white thinking that will not serve us well in the long run.<br /><br />I am not painting him as black and white. That quote is all him. He is the one who can only see things in such dangerously simplistic ways. And that speech was not just about torture (I refuse to use that nonsense phrase that is meant only to sanitize what really happened in our minds) and Gitmo. It was about the administration's comprehensive strategy. He used that phrase over and over.<br /><br />I don't trust a leader who says he would do everything exactly the same. That shows a total unwillingness to acknowledge mistakes, let alone learn from them. It's stubbornness, not effective leadership.Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12429147325673256508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2248881149749925934.post-47649322187552996042009-05-22T07:15:44.345-07:002009-05-22T07:15:44.345-07:00Or, his thought is that the country really is in d...Or, his thought is that the country really is in danger, and he really believes what he's saying.<br /><br />He is probably not as black and white as you paint him either.<br /><br />He's not talking about the entire administration and every decision they made, he's talking about enhanced interrogation and Gitmo. He's saying he would make those decisions again, if the situations were exactly the same as they were presented to him.<br /><br />When looking at the past 7 years, and how we have not been attacked, what other conclusion is there other than 1 - the safety measures are working or 2 - there is no threat?<br /><br />Is there another option? What are the other scenarios? That we're just lucky?<br /><br />That bunker by the way was outed by dear old VP Biden the other day.BellsforStacyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02032366148476863438noreply@blogger.com